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Virus TI

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Postby Jerm » Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:50 am

Well I think I spoke too soon. There definitely seems to be a latency problem although it only seems to occur when there is no countoff.

The methods you describe will instantiate VTI as a track-insert unless you have gone and manually checked the multi-timbral setting in the plug-ins window. If the multi-timbral setting is checked the plug-in will instantiate on an aux buss.
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Postby Paul » Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:11 pm

it only seems to occur when there is no countoff.


I don't get that bit. Are you talking about realtime recording? When I step record a bass drum and then play it back, I get the same latency as before.
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Postby Jerm » Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:21 pm

No. I mean the countoff in the transport. It seems to work if you set a countoff in the transport. This will be fixed now that I know what is going on.
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Postby Jerm » Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:24 pm

The Virus TI should be working correctly with version 6.3.8.6. Please download it and let me know. I would recommend using the VST version.
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Postby Paul » Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:41 pm

I downloaded 6.3.8.6 and had a quick try using the VST version. From the few things I've tried, I can say that it is now working fine. 8)

The short session left me with a few questions.

Can you explain to me why the VST version of the plug-in is preferred? Also, when I use an arpeggiator, it seems that the first bar is out of sync when cueing a four bar loop. Bars two, three and four play back in sync. Can you reproduce this?

Last question: can you explain to me how I can bounce the Virus' signal to Metro? I've not yet been able to do this.

Anyway, you've done a great job. Again... :D
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Postby Jerm » Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:59 pm

Paul wrote:I downloaded 6.3.8.6 and had a quick try using the VST version. From the few things I've tried, I can say that it is now working fine. 8)

Very good news.

Paul wrote:Can you explain to me why the VST version of the plug-in is preferred?

From the dialog I have had with Access, it appears that there is no way via AU to tell 100% of the time if a note is realtime or not. At least not until Leopard (10.5?) is released. Since they have defined their plug-in to have a 4000 sample latency this could be very important. You do not want a note to be played either 4000 samples early or late.

Paul wrote:Also, when I use an arpeggiator, it seems that the first bar is out of sync when cueing a four bar loop. Bars two, three and four play back in sync. Can you reproduce this?

This is quite possible. This will be addressed in version 6.4. In the meantime simply insert a measure of silence if necessary.

Paul wrote:Last question: can you explain to me how I can bounce the Virus' signal to Metro? I've not yet been able to do this.

This is, to me, one of the shortcomings of the Virus TI system. Don't get me wrong, I think Access has done an incredible job and the sound that comes out of the Virus is really phat, but I think they should come up with a way to allow bouncing of audio faster (or even slower) than real time out of the plug-in. Currently they bring up an error message.

Luckily, Metro has a direct output recording feature that you can use. Simply record enable an audio track and then from the input selector of the tracks window select 'direct output'. The reorded audio will be 100% identical to what goes out to the CoreAudio driver.

Paul wrote:Anyway, you've done a great job. Again... :D

Thank you.
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Postby Paul » Thu May 03, 2007 2:17 pm

Luckily, Metro has a direct output recording feature that you can use. Simply record enable an audio track and then from the input selector of the tracks window select 'direct output'. The reorded audio will be 100% identical to what goes out to the CoreAudio driver.


In the Input select column, I have the following options: L, R, L+R, Acces Virus TI1, Acces Virus TI2, Access Virus TI1+2, Output Master Direct L, Output Master Direct R, Output Master Direct L+R.

When I use Output Master Direct L+R (which I assume I should use), the sound of the Virus is not recorded. There is no activity in the Levels column of the track I try to record on. I do however see the signal of the count off in the levels column.

All other input selections don't record either. On the Virus, I'm using output USB1 L+R.

Should this work the way I'm trying?
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Postby Paul » Thu May 03, 2007 2:25 pm

Well..... :oops:

It seemed that in the Virus Control plugin, the surround balance was set to the second output (which was set to the physical output of the Virus). No wonder then...

Tried it again and it's working like a charm!

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Postby Jerm » Thu May 03, 2007 2:26 pm

That sounds right. From where do you hear the Virus's sound? It should be coming out of your apple speakers. One other important thing about the direct output recording; you need to be sure that the output assigned to the record track is the same as where you want to record from.
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